Wow, I had no idea the below Lightworkers were getting into such a debate about the ‘Change is on the Horizon’ videos – see my previous post here, and as to whether what the creator of the series, James Rinks, said about Obama in the 3rd video is disinformation or not.
So much so that questions were requested of SaLuSa and Matthew (Ward)…and the whole debate is below, which I received via Russ Michael’s mailing list.
It baffles me sometimes. Why, because for Lightworkers to take such a strong stance is…well, to be quite frank I’m a bit shocked. (Perhaps scroll down to read the exchanges first then come back to this section.) After all, it’s simply debating opinions and beliefs about Obama, there’s just no concrete evidence as yet. And as far as my experience goes, even as we awaken spiritually, the idea isn’t to give up reasoning, for our reasoning faculties are of the All That Is in any case. So it’s good and right to question, and we should continue to do so, till the truth is obvious for the majority to see.
Only reality can tell you what’s true, not opinions, and as such reality has not shown us the whole picture about Obama as yet. Till then it’s conjecture or beliefs. Maybe the video was misinformation, maybe it was not. Even if it’s disinformation, you have to ask what is being added that is LOVE by entering into an ‘Obama-drama’. Let people have their opinions if they wish! In fact let us all have whatever opinions we want! It’s called being human and allowing others to tread their own path without trying to manipulate them into thinking a certain way. Why get so agitated? Sooner or later we’ll know the truth about Obama. So just have some patience, but don’t get defensive or upset about what others are saying about Obama. You can only get distressed about someone putting forth a contrary opinion if you’re attached to some opposing opinion yourself. And haven’t all these messages been saying over and over about the fallacy of holding beliefs?
“There is nothing that isn’t true if you believe it; and nothing is true, believe it or not.” – Byron Katie
“The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti
So if beliefs are fear, Love, on the other hand, is action. If Obama is a goodie, then his actions will surely in the end show his compassion for all to see without such debate, right? For such ‘proof’ of his Lightworkership we await. Hopefully this won’t be long as we need to see real, radical and fundamental change soon.
Detachment I guess is what I am saying, because without it there is a part of ego that needs to be right. Since the last 3-4 years I have been personally unable to take a stance based on ‘beliefs’ that cannot yet be upheld by truth – ie empirical reality, what is plain to see and experience. I don’t believe James Rinks nor do I disbelieve him. I am intrigued, fascinated, interested, but distressed, no. If he has indeed spread false information then on his head be it but touting certain opinions makes no difference as to whether or not Obama is a Lightworker! He either is or he isn’t.
(For UK folk old enough, remember that hairspray advert on TV – “Is she or isn’t she?” – LOL)
For myself, I don’t really care….And I don’t mean that glibly either. I mean that from the point of opinions being a dualistic stance – I shall have to quote JK again, as this truth about labels and beliefs is extremely profound and I would say, was a precipitating factor in my own awakening:
‘When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.’ – Jiddu Krishnamurti
Matthew says: “…people who are light receptive know which information about him is the truth and which isnâ€™t” –>Well I consider myself ‘light receptive’ but I certainly wouldn’t claim to know which information about him is truth. How could you possibly know unless you are privy to correct information and details about him? Or put it another way, any opinions one might hold about information about him are not to me truth-enough, they are third-party, hearsay if you like, and it is not possible for me claim it is my truth. Truth is something that is self-evident, and comes as knowing from within, it’s not something you have to believe or convice people of (Matthew: “…people who have not responded to the light will believe the lies and wonâ€™t be convinced otherwise by any additional comments from either Hatonn or me.â€).
SaLuSa says: “If you find that you cannot trust a source of information, then set it aside and trust in those that you have faith in. Most messages of disinformation also include some truths, which makes them more difficult to understand.” –> Well that’s a mixed message if ever I heard one, lol.
(Btw I add the LOLs here because we really need to lighten up about the Obama debate…)
I have to also say that SaLuSa’s full response (see below) did not actually state it was disinformation but rather almost hinted at eg ‘yes Obama’s making mistakes (“under much pressure”) but bear with him as he will come good’, thus almost saying the opposite of disinformation…
In any event, I say let truth do the proving, not opinions or channelled messages. When the time is right, all will become clear but not before. At the end of the day the only thing that you (I) can say and it be TRUE is that Obama is possibly a Lightworker, and possibly not.
I guess I’m okay with letting reality show me what’s disinformation or not, rather than expounding any opinion for or against this matter when I don’t have the facts.
Comments, as always, welcome.
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Matthew. SaLuSa, & Steve Beckow’s Update on False Info on Video 3 of Set of 3 Videos
Note from Russ Michael… (***See Suzy Ward and Matthew’s response below as well)))))
Steve Beckow’s first comment to one of his subscriber–named Patrick–who asked him about the terrible lies about Obama, as stated last 10 or 15 minutes on video 3 of the set of 3 videos, was:
“I don’t believe James for a moment, personally, Patrick.
I have no idea why he would say those things about Obama. Russ Michael has asked Suzy Ward to comment.
I’ve received a great deal of mail on the subject but don’t know where James is coming from myself.
Steve beckow writes to his subscribers (also posted on OV)
This is very unusual. Russ Michael was also distressed to see the allegations that James Rinks put out against President Obama. (1) Russ has taken a number of steps to discover what the situation is.
Here he reports on writing Mike Quinsey and asking him to ask SaLuSa about the matter.
Mike generally doesn’t ask SaLuSa questions so this is unusual, as far as I’m concerned. But on this occasion, SaLuSa did respond and his answer is that the Rinks charges are disinformation. Russ’s letter and Mike’s response are attached below.
The more general matter is this. The cabal wants President Obama emasculated. They are doing everything in their power to tear him down and defeat every plank of his legislative program. That’s too bad, because part of that is denying Americans the blessings of universal medicare. What a shame.
(NOTE: Russ Michael here again…!! As a USA citizen–living peacably in lovely Austria for the past 15 years–I must add that we USA citizens have been totally brainwashed to call Health Care–for everyone at virtually no cost–as some sort of very negative brand of ‘socialism.’
How sad! For every child, woman and man in Europe have long had what Obama is trying to obtain for each and all of us…total health care at little or no cost…and do not one has the worry or threat of losing their life saving or homes when they are ill.
Even myself, a USA citizen legal Austria resident–from the USA–was issued a Health ‘ECard’ … and when my cancer surgury came up last year–about 6 hours of major surgury and an 8 day stay in the hospital, great meals, great loving care, my total cost–that Austria Health Care Insurance did NOT cover–was about 160 Euro, equivalent to less than $200 USA dollars.
Otherwise, with very tiny Social Security monthly income from our USA, there was no way I could have paid for, or obtained the surgery and the hospital care needed…so let us each and all give thanks for what bold, courageous President Obama has done, and keeps doing, much as he can, for each and all of us who are greatly blessed citizens of our USA…
Bless us all. End of note)
We as lightworkers can sometimes act at a level below consciousness on the premise that where there’s smoke there’s fire. All the criticism of President Obama must mean something, we conclude. But it does not.
In my opinion, lightworkers are being manipulated and I oppose it. Yes, President Obama may have chosen an unwise course by going along with the “bin Laden is dead” subterfuge, but overall he represents the Light and is here, along with others, to lead us into the New Age. I personally am not joining the wave of criticism against the President, no matter who it comes from. In my opinion, it originates with the dark.
Some people have accused me of censoring the news thereby. Give me a break. Disinformation is not news. Disinformation destroys the credibility of news. I’m interested in the truth and the slanders against Obama are not that.
Last rant: Disinformation has never been more rampant than it is now. Fukushima stories are being churned out while the galactics say that they are containing the damage. Stories circulate that a nuclear bomb was used to destroy Japan while the galactics say that no nuclear bombs can be exploded (except some test bombs apparently) on the planet or in space.
(1) This site will not be posting disinformational articles or articles intended to create fear. (2) This site accepts as credible the testimony of sources like Matthew Ward, SaLuSa, the Arcturian Group, etc. They are an integral part of our informational process and are in fact the major contribution this site makes to contemporary discussion. If they do not seem credible to you, why read this site?
So to repeat: The allegations that President Obama tried to steal $400 billion and other charges made by James Rinks in the third part of his series entitled “Change is on the Horizon” are not accurate. Please do not allow them to make an impact on you.
Thanks to Russ for digging into this and Mike for asking SaLuSa.
Michael Quinsey wrote:
I have put out a mental request to SaLuSa, and asked the question for a response to the criticism of Obama. I have given below what I received.
“If you find that you cannot trust a source of information, then set it aside and trust in those that you have faith in. Most messages of disinformation also include some truths, which makes them more difficult to understand.
“You have been informed from a number sources already that President Obama is the one chosen to lead you through the coming period.
“His work cannot fully commence until the restraints upon him are removed so bear in mind that he is under much pressure to follow the advice he is being given.
“You will see the real man and exalted soul that he is come to the fore when he is able to fully express himself as a Being of Light.”
J.G. wrote (regrets forwarding video link)
I am sorry I sent this post out.
I did so after watching only the first 2 videos – and they were right on the money.
Even the first portion of the third video is correct.
However, when it got to the part about President Obama, it was pure fabrication and deliberate misrepresentation. Had I watched that segment prior to sharing the site, I would not have sent it under any circumstances.
I sincerely apologize for subjecting any of you to lies about our President – who, by the way – is doing the very best he can in the face of massive opposition by the ensconced Illuminati.
My thanks to Steve and Russ Michael for putting this into perspective.
Nancy Tate wrote
I’m so glad that Mike asked SaLuSa about Obama, because it confirmed what I’ve known all along.
Suzy Ward wrote
My visitor left a few minutes ago after three days of our being out and about or having mutual friends here. I saw your !!! and Urgent in the subject line as three days of emails downloaded and will reply right away.
I’m too far behind in several important projects to watch even 15 minutes of that — of any other — video. From what you wrote about that particular segment, of course you’re right that it’s a desperate last ditch Illuminati tactic to discredit Obama — you wrote “subtle” and I’d say blatant.
I’ll see if Matthew wants to say anything.
“Repeatedly I have described Obama’s highly evolved soul status, spiritual and moral integrity, purpose and intention to help create a peaceful world, and both Hatonn and I have spoken about the powerful and relentless forces Obama has been up against all along. With the light intensity in this energy plane Earth has reached, people who are light receptive know which information about him is the truth and which isn’t; people who have not responded to the light will believe the lies and won’t be convinced otherwise by any additional comments from either Hatonn or me.”
Blessings, LOVE and PEACE…
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